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Subject: Europa-List: Bleeding Jamar finger brakes
From: DR TERRY DAWSON. <rob@Neils.US>
Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2007 12:48:14

Im having a devil of a time with my Jamar finger brakes in my 
tri-gear motorglider.

I can only bleed the brakes when the master cylinders are oriented 
vertically with the back of the Jamar master cylinders higher than 
the front.  As soon as I mount the brakes horizontally, they no 
longer bleed  after one effective stroke the lever no longer pumps 
brake fluid.

Heres some data which may help you help me get this problem solved:

Im using DOT 5 brake fluid.

I mount a reservoir filled with brake fluid about 9 inches above the 
master cylinders.

The Jamar squirts fluid from both sides when the levers are pulled 
back while he Jamar master cylinders are horizontal on my bench and 
when mounted horizontally in the plane.

When the Jamar is mounted in the plane and the brake lines are 
disconnected from the ends of the master cylinders then the cylinders 
squirt brake fluid when the levers are pulled back.  However as soon 
as I connect the brake lines from the cylinders to the brakes, the 
brakes dont work.  (This makes me suspect the problem is in the 
brake lines  probably air bubbles.)

When one side is working and the other side isnt, if I disconnect 
the brake lines and switch the line which isnt working to the side 
which does work, then that the side which didn't work now does and 
the other doesn't.  (I therefore again suspect the problem is in the 
line rather than in the Jama but I could very well be wrong.)

I bleed the brakes in two different ways.  The first way I connect a 
clear tube filled with brake fluid with no bubbles to the brake 
nipple.  I open the nipple and, using about 20# of air pressure, blow 
brake fluid up the brake line to the Jamar.  I have loosened the 
brake line connection at the master cylinder and watch the brake 
fluid leak out.  At first I get bubbles, then, when only brake fluid 
is leaking, I tighten the connection at the master cylinder and close 
the nipple.  The Jamar system then works.  The brake lever is not at 
all spongy.  However, over a long period of time with many 
applications of the brakes, the lever must be pulled further and 
further back and the brakes get spongy, needing bleeding.

The second way I bleed the brakes is by pulling back on the brake 
lever while both connections (the brake line to the master and the 
brake line to the brakes) are tight.  When pressure builds on the 
lever, I loosen the nipple and brake fluid gushes out the nipple into 
the clear tube Ive connected to the nipple.  I then close the nipple 
and release the lever which returns to its forward position on its 
own.  I can see brake fluid leaving the nipple on the first stroke 
and I can see the fluid level in reservoir go down..  However, on the 
second pump theres no pressure against the movement of the lever, no 
brake fluid leaving the nipple and no descent of the fluid level in 
the reservoir.  This is when the Jamar is horizontal.  However, when 
I have the Jamar master cylinders vertical the brakes bleed well 
using this technique.  (I really don't understand this at all but I 
guess that air in the master cylinder is pumped out the "top" end of 
the cylinder and therefore the brakes work.)

When both sides are working and mounted in the fuselage horizontally, 
I try the bleed the brakes.  I pull back on the lever the first time 
while the nipple is open and I see fluid leave the nipple and the 
fluid level in the reservoir drop.  On the second pump the lever has 
little resistance, no fluid comes out of the nipple and the fluid 
level in the reservoir doesnt drop.

Why is it that I can successfully bleed the Jamar only when its 
aligned vertically?

Id like to be able to bleed the brakes without having to orient them 
vertically or having to disconnect the brake line from the master 
cylinder and blow fluid up from the nipple, letting the master 
cylinder to brake line connection leak.



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