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Re: Re: 22,000uF capacitor

Subject: Re: Re: 22,000uF capacitor
From: Fillinger@aol.com
Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 22:16:02
Hoping that some techie stuff here can be of value, I have perused Cornell 
Dubilier's Aluminum Electrolytic Capacitor Application Guide (i.e., the 
computer grade items).  Some tidbits:

Use any voltage rating you want, but at least add expected surges, spikes, 
and transients to the working voltage, and further derate it for tolerance 
and degradation in service as per usual (thus my original balking at the 
suggestion of 16v cap in a 14v system).

The life of these caps is about 1,000 hours at max ambient of 85C.  For every 
10C decrease in core temperature, life can be doubled (they suffer from heat 
evaporation of the electrolyte) .  This suggests that the engine room is not 
the place to install it, noting that the cap itself heats up in service 
depending upon ripple current.  I have read on the Kitfox mail list where 
builders blamed failures of Rotax regulators on too much ambient heat (as 
trigear builder, with oodles of room in tunnel, I'll probably put cap and reg 
there).  Also, Cornell Dubilier says that heat is most effectively conducted 
out the bottom of the cap (and top too, saying that direct connection to bus 
bars is best), rather than sides -- i.e., mounting considerations.  Mount 
vertically, top up, for best venting.

The guide says also that infant mortalities are possible, but minimized if 
the cap is given an extended burn-in.  They don't say how, but elsewhere they 
say DC voltage for 30 minutes at rated voltage, through a 1k resistor, cures 
DC current leakage caused by sitting on the shelf too long.   

Regarding capacitance rating in excess of 22,000uf, and filtering of 
alternator whine in general, it's been my experience that larger caps have 
little effect, especially at higher freqs.  And Mr. Nuckolls states that the 
battery alone accomplishes significant filtering.  Also, in the audio panel I 
designed and installed in the my other plane, a faint but annoying alternator 
whine in the headphones was eliminated only with a small toroid-core choke in 
its power supply, not any size/type cap I tried.  Auto stores sell a similar 
items to eliminate whine in automotive applications.

Sooo. I guess, consensus now might be that a new, computer-grade 22,000/25 
should work fine, and keep it cool...no?

Regards,
Fred Fillinger, A063


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