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Re: Europa-List: EIS panel suggestions

Subject: Re: Europa-List: EIS panel suggestions
From: Guil Barros <flight@metathusalan.com>
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 22:20:21

found them under "Chief Aircraft -> Engine Instruments -> ISSPRO" and ordered a
catalog :)

has anyone used them? what do you think?

thanks!

-guil

Quoting Paul McAllister <paul.mcallister@qia.net>:

> <paul.mcallister@qia.net>
>
> Guil,
>
> Chief sells a range of gauges that are below $50.00 each.  I couldn't find
> them on there WEB site but they were featured on a catalogue I got the other
> day.  There WEB site address is http://www.chiefaircraft.com/
>
> Paul
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Guil Barros" <flight@metathusalan.com>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: EIS panel suggestions
>
>
> >
> > Ive been looking at some EIS systems myself, and looking for guages to go
> along
> > as backups.
> >
> > Can someone recommend good low-priced guages? $35 a pop sounds pretty
> good, but
> > i havent found anything like that...
> >
> > thx,
> > -guil
> >
> >
> > Quoting Europa Aircraft <europa@gate.net>:
> >
> > >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I have been getting a lot of calls at the US office lately requesting
> > > guidance for installing engine instruments.
> > >
> > > There are some neat new products available, like the EIS mentioned
> below.
> > > The EIS is a great way to monitor a large number of engine parameters
> > > previously impossible to do with analog gages.
> > >
> > > The EIS, however, it not as easy to read as an analog instrument.  Our
> > > engines are not cheap, and our butts are worth even more, so I strongly
> > > recommend that for the most important engine parameters, easy to read
> analog
> > > gages be installed in an area easy for the pilot to spot.  Examples are
> the
> > > Tachometer, hottest CHT, Oil Pressure, and Manifold Pressure for
> constant
> > > speed props.  It is much easier to spot a fluxing, or dropping oil
> pressure
> > > needle than to spot, or page to the number on an EIS.  Once the red
> light
> > > comes on there will not be as much time left to find a place to land.
> > >
> > > For a 914 you also need to have something that tells you the difference
> > > between fuel pressure & boost pressure in the same units - ex, both in i
> nches
> > > of mercury, or pounds per square inch.  I am working with an instrument
> > > manufacturer to make a single gage that does this to save space, but
> don't
> > > have one yet.  Rotax recommends a twin MP gage for this, but they only
> come
> > > in 3 1/4.
> > >
> > > Another reason for installing engine instruments is noted below.  If the
> > > monitor fails, then there is no way to tell what the engine is doing.
> > >
> > > Finally, these instruments are cheap, as little as $35 each.
> > >
> > > Hope this answers some of your questions.
> > >
> > > John Hurst
> > > Europa Aircraft
> > > Lakeland, FL
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Carl & Dot <carl_p@ntlworld.com>
> > > To: europa-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Faulty Oil Temp sensor
> > >
> > >
> > > It turns out there is nothing wrong with the sensor although initial
> checks
> > > with the ohm meter suggested this was the problem.
> > >
> > > It seems to be much worse. and the problem is somewhere in the Grand
> Rapids
> > > EIS unit. Not only is the oil temp wrong but most other readings are now
> > > abnormal.
> > >
> > > Guess well have to return it to Grand Rapids and see what they have to
> say.
> > >
> > > Pity as the annual permit is due to expire in 10 days.
> > >
> > > Carl pattinson
> > > G-LABS (grounded for the time being)
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <n3eu@comcast.net>
> > > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Faulty Oil Temp sensor
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Carl & Dot wrote:
> > > > > ...
> > > > > I think my preferred choice would be to mount the sender in the
> return
> > > line
> > > > > from the bottom of the crank casing (would need a metal block to
> screw
> > > into)
> > > > > where I assume it would be at its hottest. An easier fix might be to
> > > bolt it
> > > > > into the oil tank somewhere. This would be simpler, and there would
> be
> > > less
> > > > > vibration. Possibly a hole tapped into the centre of the oil tank
> drain
> > > plug
> > > > > would work.
> > > >
> > > > I believe Rotax is sensing cooled oil -- not the hot stuff in the
> return
> > > line nor similar in the tank, and they set the redline temp premised
> upon
> > > the effect of mounting in the engine block where they do.  I would
> caution
> > > against any mod which cannot verify the Rotax redline temp is still
> valid,
> > > or proper testing to set a new value.  So far we have one reported
> instance
> > > of a complete failure only alleged due to vibration.  A google search I
> did
> > > turns up nothing else, nor is there a service bulletin.  If vibration
> can
> > > fail the sensor, then the temp instrument will go blooey, so then just
> > > replace it.  A significant cause of homebuilt accidents is this type of
> > > experimentation, resulting in doing things in ways not seen on
> production
> > > aircraft for presumably valid reason.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Fred F.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
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