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Subject: Re: Europa-List: bouyancy
From: Graham Singleton <grahamsingleton@btinternet.com>
Date: Thu, 11 Jan 2007 10:04:23

Fred
as Neville suggests, there is probably enough foam in an XS to float the 
engine. All you need to be sure is 2 cubic ft of blue foam, which you 
could put in behind the wing spar.
You could estimate the amount of PVC foam, (about 5 lbs/cu ft,?) from 
the wetted area of the aircraft. It's 3mm thick. You know the weight, 
1370lbs.
Graham

Fred Klein wrote:

> All,
>
> Posted points are well taken...as I said, I intend to do some research 
> on the subject and will report back any information I gather...adding 
> foam may well be one of those seemingly simple notions which, upon 
> investigation, is fraught with peril.
>
> Fred
>
> On Wednesday, January 10, 2007, at 03:51 PM, NevEyre@aol.com wrote:
>
>     Hi Bob / All.
>     The blue foam is pretty well closed cell, the type that is
>     definately closed cell is coloured orange, and sold as ''Flotation
>     Billet'' as opposed to ''Insulation Billet of the blue, as used in
>     the Europa.
>     The blue will not pick up too much water  unless immersed at great
>     depth, where the pressure will force the water into the cells, so
>     fine at sea level ! It weighs 2lb. cu.ft, and a cu.ft will support
>     60lbs in fresh water.
>     Most of the foams that are injected, are open cell, so will soak
>     up water like a sponge, the pour in types supplied to the marine
>     trade for bouyancy are very inconsistant in use, sometimes they
>     tend to expand to ''open cell'', which again will soak up water.
>     [I have seen boats foamed with this ''TOUCAN'' foam that
>     have absorbed so much water they barely floated]
>     The other problem with the ''pour in'' foams [ as opposed to the
>     blow in, injected types] is that the finnished volume can vary,
>     you can never be sure how far it will go. I have witnessed floors
>     ripped from hulls. Temperature of the two foam components. and the
>     space being foamed will have an effect. The warmer the foam and /
>     or space, the further it will go.What can happen, is that it fills
>     a space entirely, and ''gells'',[ so cant escape from the vent
>     hole] then carries on expanding, with sometimes disasterous
>     results.The power of foam expanding has to be seen to be believed!
>     I have seen a Range Rover that someone with a grievence had poured
>     some of this two pack foam into, puffed it out like a hedgehog,
>     totally round by the time it had finnished!
>     A Classic, I am sure , will have more than enough volume of foam
>     to stay afloat indefinately, an XS  will eventually fill up, but
>     possibly ''lurk'' nose down just below the surface.
>     Cheers,
>     Nev.
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