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Re: Europa-List: TP6 Bonding Survey

Subject: Re: Europa-List: TP6 Bonding Survey
From: Carl Pattinson <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2007 23:23:19
I dont want to knock anybodys worthy efforts in compiling a list of Mod 
73'ers but I agree whole heartedly that this job would be better handled 
by the Europa club committee.

My pesonal view (which I have stated before) is that inspectors should 
be required report irregularities/ problems as a matter of routine to 
either the PFA or the aircraft manfacturer so that results can be 
collated and potential accidents pre-empted. Unfortunately this isnt 
going to happen.

I agree that confidentiality is a big issue and those of us who find 
irregularities may choose not add their details to the list. This will 
create the impression that everything in the garden is rosy when it may 
in fact not be.

Another complication is that some of us (me included) may choose to fly 
off the 10 hours allowed before undertaking the work so it may be some 
time before a complete list is compiled.

Finally many Europa owners are not membersof this forum so will be 
excluded from the survey.

The only way to produce a meaningful survey would be for the factory to 
require all Europa owners to participate in the survey which would be 
collated by either themselves or the PFA. The advantage of channeling 
this exercise through the Europa club (assuming they would accept the 
task) is that individual annonymity could be guaranteed and only the 
figures need be reported back to the authorities.

I am totally in favour with your proposal Bryan but I will be happy to 
add my details to the current list if the EC arent able step into the 
breach.

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: bryan allsop 
  To: europa-list@matronics.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 20, 2007 9:05 PM
  Subject: Europa-List: TP6 Bonding Survey


  Whilst I can see the attractions of carrying out Richards suggestion 
for a live listing of mod 73 findings, I feel that it will fall a long 
way short of what I had in mind. In the long term there are three 
problems with it.
   
  1. Time scale. It could take a while for some people to complete the 
mod. In that time most will loose the motivation to participate inthe 
survey.
   
  2. Confidentiality. Many people may not wish to have details of their 
aircrafts's shortcomigs on public display. In which case any bond 
failures are less likely to be reported.
   
  3. Completeness. Since we would have no way of knowing how complete 
the feedback is, we would never know when the survey has any value. It 
would be nice to have 100% response.
   
  I feel that any survey should be authorised by our committee. The 
committee has a full list of Euopas, and their owners. It will be easy 
to establish when a response is missing. Members can respond in 
confidence knowing that aircraft details will not be shown with the 
results. Sorry Mike, it sounds like a job for the Safety Officer.
  It should be remembered that many aircraft will not be modified by 
their owners, the info may have to come from the inspectors, or the 
people employed to carry out the mod., via the owner.
  Perhaps responses should be listed against age, model of Europa (are 
Monos less vulnerable, or Classics, or Trikes).
   
  OK, it sounds rather ponderous now. Sorry about that.
   
  Regrds to all.
   
  Bryan Allsop G BYSA 
   
   


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