First snow landing of a Europa in New Zealand!!!
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>> 1. 02:02 AM - Re: Re: Europa-List914 Overheating/boiling
>> (trevpond@aol.com)
>> 2. 02:11 AM - Re: An another incident for Finnish Europa around
>> Barkaby Fly-inn Sweden (!). (David Joyce)
>> 3. 02:27 AM - Re: there are pilots who have and .... (David Joyce)
>> 4. 04:16 AM - DOTH Tue. 10th. Andrewsfield (Paddy Clarke)
>> 5. 04:21 AM - Re: An another incident for Finnish Europa around B
>> (josok)
>> 6. 05:38 AM - Re: An another incident for Finnish Europa around
>> Barkaby Fly-inn Sweden (!). (Robert Borger)
>> 7. 06:47 AM - Re: DOTH Tue. 10th. Andrewsfield (trevpond@aol.com)
>> 8. 01:48 PM - Re: An another incident for Finnish Europa around
>> Barkaby Fly-inn Sweden (!). (Raimo Toivio)
>> 9. 03:04 PM - rudder pulley access holes in cockpit module (Rowland
>> Carson)
>> 10. 07:44 PM - Re: rudder pulley access holes in cockpit module (Fred
>> Klein)
>> 11. 11:34 PM - fuel injected 912 is running great (jason Parker)
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>> ________________________________ Message 1
>> _____________________________________
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>>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: RE: Europa-List914 Overheating/boiling
>> From: trevpond@aol.com
>>
>> Hi Ian,
>>
>> Have you changed your coolant reservoir cap since taking out the evans?
>>
>> regards
>>
>>
>> Trev
>> G-LINN
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: G-IANI <g-iani@ntlworld.com>
>> Sent: Sun, 8 Jun 2008 21:30
>> Subject: Europa-List: RE: Europa-List914 Overheating/boiling
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> G-IRON, has a 914 that has suddenly developed a tendency to boil.
>> Nothing has been done to the aircraft to precipitate this.
>>
>> Even with short warm up and taxi it will boil slightly as you clime out
>> (at about 500ft). It will then stop boiling during the flight. On
>> landing it will boil again as you come to rest. The boiling is quite
>> gentle, not a big explosion of steam. It is filled with water/glycol.
>>
>> We have been over everything looking for hot spots such as a coolant
>> pipe in contact with the exhaust and all is as it should be. The Rads
>> have been checked and they are both OK.
>>
>> Has anyone got any ideas that might help
>>
>> Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 200 hours
>> Europa Club Mods Rep (Trigear)
>> e-mail mods@europaclub.org.uk
>> or direct g-iani@ntlworld.com
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________________
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>> ________________________________ Message 2
>> _____________________________________
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>>
>> From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: An another incident for Finnish Europa around
>> Barkaby
>> Fly-inn Sweden (!).
>>
>>
>> Raimo, Congratulations on your cool response (only 150bpm!) and survival!
>> I hate lightning. Always find myself thinking about the UK glider
>> whose
>> wing actually blew apart. In thinking how to prepare my plane for a trip
>> to
>> Australia (where close encounters with lightning are almost inevitable) I
>> came across the attached in a 2001 CAA paper on lightning protection,
>> (the
>> earlier pages were all about tin aircraft), which says:
>> 4 Gliders. Attention should be given to these aircraft, especially
>> those of non metallic structure, and bonding straps should be installed
>> between the extremities to conduct any strike away from the flying
>> controls.
>> A point to remember is that bonding should run as straight as possible
>> avoiding loops formed by excess lengths at, for example, transport
>> joints,
>> since a lightning strike will jump across any sharp loops or bends.
>> Before I head off to Asia, I plan to put aluminium mesh right along
>> the aileron and flap close outs joining to the rear lift pin to allow
>> wing
>> tip to wing tip lightning travel, and probably also a similar strap from
>> the
>> engine frame along the tunnel to the tail wheel spring. Would weigh
>> probably
>> less than a kg. What do you think?
>> Regards David Joyce, G-XSDJ, Mono XS
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 11:31 PM
>> Subject: Europa-List: An another incident for Finnish Europa around
>> Barkaby
>> Fly-inn Sweden
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 3
>> _____________________________________
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>>
>> From: "David Joyce" <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: there are pilots who have and ....
>>
>>
>> Jos, I have a fair amount of relevant experience in the matter (!),
>> particularly in gliding, and I suspect that pilots who are convinced
>> they
>> have put the gear down will not be persuaded otherwise by a warning horn.
>> I
>> have known a glider fly a 100km task with the gear down and then
>> carefully
>> pull it up and land ignoring the gear up warning noise! (Assuming it must
>> be
>> some malfunction because the pilot knew he had just done the gear)
>> Now I would rather rely on a simple check list rigidly applied on
>> down wind and finals: PUFF = Prop/Undercarriage/Fuel/ Flap. Undercarriage
>> and flap both demand visual confirmation.
>> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
>> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2008 8:44 PM
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: there are pilots who have and ....
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks to everybody for the condolences and good advice. I would like to
>>> help preventing others to fall in the same or similar trap.Looking back,
>>> it is interesting to see where and why it went wrong.
>>>
>>> On the Norwegian CAA site, is it http://www.ipppc.no ? sits a paper
>>> called
>>> VFR flying in Norway. It contains a list of factors, that tend to break
>>> the weakest link in flying security, us pilots. From the list, being
>>> tired, weather (too hot for me), unfamiliar airport, and also the first
>>> flight show to attend were the stress factors.
>>>
>>> The first mistake was to not turn the approach chart in track up
>>> position.
>>> I always use maps and the gps in track up. Flying South, i ended up on
>>> the
>>> wrong final. Went around and ended up on the right side, but too high
>>> and
>>> too fast. No problem, gear up, and go around for the second time.
>>> Concentrated on the runway, and started to lower the flaps/wheel, heard
>>> them noise, because the speed was about 100 knots. Left them half,
>>> turned
>>> final, did my on final check list, second pump on, constant speed
>>> controller on climb, gear down and locked. I remember to be a little
>>> confused that the lock was not in the usual position, but i was sure the
>>> handle was... UP. I noticed i was still fast, slowed down, stall warner
>>> blaring at 55, what i threw away as a mistake, was annoyed that the nose
>>> was too high, added a bit of power to soften the bounce :-) That there
>>> was
>>> no bounce, and a lot of smoke and noise brought me out of the fixation i
>>> had had.
>>>
>>> My conclusion, and maybe only valid for me, is to be more critical
>>> BEFORE
>>> the flight. I promised myself not ever to accept more then 2 of the "do
>>> not fly" list. Since i clearly remember to have seen the gear lever up
>>> on
>>> the "ready for final check", i do not think that any clever gear up
>>> alarm
>>> would have convinced me that there was something wrong. Wrong speed,
>>> wrong
>>> picture, wrong stall horn and: The final error was "up is good"
>>>
>>> The second promise to myself is from Kjell, that if i feel it is not
>>> going
>>> as expected. to break out, leave the circuit, take five. Come back
>>> later!
>>>
>>> I have to add that i just landed, it was very bumpy, the wind was
>>> gusting,
>>> an amphibious Cessna blew a tyre and blocked the runway i was on
>>> downwind
>>> for, the tower send me to another runway, asked if i could accept 15
>>> knots
>>> gusting 25 crosswind, and i had a perfect landing. This one went like,
>>> oh
>>> not again, you are not getting me :-)
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Jos
>>>
>>>
>>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 4
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
>> Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Tue. 10th. Andrewsfield
>>
>>
>> Hi Folks,
>> The weather should be good for tomorrow ( Tuesday 10th ), so how
>> about a DOTH?. Unless anyone has any other ideas, I propose
>> Andrewsfield.
>> Voucher in Pilot - 1200 ish,
>> Cheers, Paddy
>>
>>
>> Paddy Clarke
>>
>> Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 5
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: An another incident for Finnish Europa around B
>> From: "josok" <josok-e@ukolo.fi>
>>
>>
>> In my humble opinion it's a very good idea to create a better path for
>> lightning
>> outside the wings. 2 things come to mind: The better the conductor, the
>> less
>> change for heat generation. The tie-bar is not an optimal conductor and
>> there
>> should be a well connected copper or aluminium bar/wire parallel to it.
>> The other
>> obvious place to strike are the position lights. Maybe it's a good idea
>> to
>> run their ground over the outside mesh, and not through a wire inside the
>> wing.
>> The feed wires are usually longer and thus form a less interesting path
>> for
>> a strike. I've seen brick walls blown apart because the lightning
>> followed
>> a path over a wire in that wall. The wire was stripped and still in
>> place!
>> Something
>> for my next winter to-do list. And if ever possible, i will still avoid
>> thunderstorms.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Jos
>>
>>
>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 6
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: Robert Borger <rlborger@mac.com>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: An another incident for Finnish Europa around
>> Barkaby
>> Fly-inn Sweden (!).
>>
>>
>> Raimo,
>>
>> Thank goodness you and your passenger were not harmed. Two folks have
>> now
>> shown
>> that it is possible to survive a lightning strike in the Europa.
>>
>> Gents, that's enough. No further need for continued demonstrations!
>>
>> I appreciate your candor in the description of the event. We all need to
>> learn
>> from our collective experiences.
>>
>> Now take a brief rest with the family while you investigate and repair
>> the
>> damage.
>> Then you'll be ready to get back on that horse and ride again.
>>
>> Check six,
>> Bob Borger
>>
>> On Sunday, June 08, 2008, at 05:28PM, "Raimo Toivio"
>> <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>Hi all
>>>
>>>My sad responsibility is to report also my incident as follows:
>>>
>>>I was flying back from Barkaby to Finland Tampere (EFTP) via Ume (ESNU).
>>>Two legs, 3 hrs and 1 hrs 20 minutes.
>>>Half an hour from EFTP I met two thunder storm centres. I elected to fly
>>>between
>> them.
>>>Seemed for me to be just a normal practise. QNH altitude 4000 feet,
>>>airspeed 130
>> knots,
>>>ground speed 150 knots, air temp 22C, plane was well trimmed and loaded
>>>near MTOW
>>>658 kg /1450 lbs.Almost overcast (5/8) about 6000 feet. We saw quite
>>>strong lightnings
>>>both sides.
>>>
>>>Suddenly I got a STRONG electric shock like static or similar to my
>>>right
>>>hand
>> from the power lever.
>>>My friend got a similar shock to his ears through head sets.
>>>Very heavy raining started immediately.
>>>Radio started awful whistling and whining.
>>>
>>>What the hell was happening we asked each others.
>>>Plane was still flying well.
>>>We saw no damages on the wing surfaces etc.
>>>Radio stopped whistling after five minutes or so.
>>>I was checking all the equipments I could.
>>>
>>>During that inspection I noticed I have no trim position display any more
>>>(I have
>> those green MAC leds).
>>>I tried to trim but nothing happened.
>>>CB (Europa suplied) was in position.
>>>I tried via change over swith my another lower speed trim adjusting
>>>switch
>>>but
>> nothing happened.
>>>Just for in case I opened trim CB to avoid possibility of the trim
>>>auto-run case.
>>>
>>>I have to mention we had with Jos a discussion of that case and he stated
>>>that
>> if it goes to the other side,
>>>it is impossible to keep pitch control any more. And that discussion was
>>>this
>> morning!
>>>
>>>So, I was flying over EFTP. Altitude 3000 feet. There was a whole circus
>>>like
>> several fire trucks, police and
>>>ambulances. Carefully I slowed the speed to 80 knots to test what happens
>>>during
>> flaps/gear lowering.
>>>You remember I had lost my electric trim and it was trimmed for 130
>>>knots.
>>>
>>>During my normal abroach speed 70 knots I can tell you the nose was VERY
>>>heavy
>> but still controlable.
>>>Just in case my strong friend helped me by pulling his stick also.
>>>I keeped that speed until touching the runway and it was one of my best
>>>monowheel
>> landing ever
>>>(like Jos reported today in his other case EFHF).
>>>
>>>ATC men, fire men and all the others congratulated me. We were alive and
>>>OH-XRT
>> was still in one piece.
>>>
>>>I taxied to the hangar and after half an hour trim motor started to work
>>>by itself.
>>>Still there was no its position lights. Trim CB was working normally.
>>>
>>>We fast checked the plane and obviously the lightning has gone trough
>>>stbd-side
>> stabilator pip-pin to the structure. The pip-pin cover (transparent
>> sticker)
>> was explosed and the head of the pip-pin was black.
>>>
>>>That was it. I drove home, kissed my daughters and wife and opened a
>>>bottle of
>> bier.
>>>
>>>BTW - when we were over EFTP, my friend measured my pulse rate and it was
>>>150.
>>>
>>>That was an interesting experience. Some of you know that I made last
>>>summer a
>> serioush but super lucky
>>>forced landing in Lappland because my Cessnas mechanical trim was working
>>>uppsidedown.
>>>That was because a service error of certified service company Arctic
>>>Airservice.
>>>
>>>Trim controls are my nightmares and devils lurking to make me a bad day.
>>>
>>>I grounded my Europa of course. I am not sure what to do now.
>>>If I later decide to continue flying, I have to fix it first and and
>>>check
>>>it
>> carefully.
>>>I called Jos (thank you) and he advised me to check everything.
>>>
>>>Have you there any ideas for me, please?
>>>
>>>Raimo
>>>OH-XRT, 64 hrs, grounded so far
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 7
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: DOTH Tue. 10th. Andrewsfield
>> From: trevpond@aol.com
>>
>> Hi Paddy,
>>
>> Would have loved it but in France at the moment, returning tomorrow
>> 5ish.??
>>
>> All the best
>>
>>
>> Trev
>> G-LINN
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Paddy Clarke <paddyclarke@lineone.net>
>> Sent: Mon, 9 Jun 2008 13:13
>> Subject: Europa-List: DOTH Tue. 10th. Andrewsfield
>>
>>
>> ?
>> Hi Folks,?
>> The weather should be good for tomorrow ( Tuesday 10th ), so how about a
>> DOTH?.
>> Unless anyone has any other ideas, I propose Andrewsfield.?
>> Voucher in Pilot - 1200 ish,?
>> Cheers, Paddy?
>> ?
>> Paddy Clarke?
>> ?
>> Europa XS - 404 G-KIMM?
>> ?
>> ?
>> ?
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________________
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 8
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: "Raimo Toivio" <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: An another incident for Finnish Europa around
>> Barkaby
>> Fly-inn Sweden (!).
>>
>>
>> Paul,
>>
>> I read your lightning story and all went basically like mine yesterday
>>
>> "I have a shut off knob on the tunnel for the air box which supplies
>> ventilation
>> for the cabin and my knee was leaning up against it. I guess there is
>> about
>> 4 feet of cable, but it was enough to induce a significant voltage to
>> electrocute
>> me."
>>
>> That was for me an experience I will never forget.
>>
>> My Europas damages were anyway childrens play but it is always nice to
>> belong to
>> the same club as you.
>>
>> Do they say the strike does not hit the same plane never again, do they
>> ???
>>
>> Wishes, Raimo
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Paul McAllister" <paul.the.aviator@gmail.com>
>> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 2:58 AM
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: An another incident for Finnish Europa around
>> Barkaby
>> Fly-inn Sweden (!).
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Hi Ramio,
>>>
>>> Well I guess you have joined the club. Take a look at
>>> http://www.europa.net.nz/363/index.html, click on the left hand pane
>>> under flying experiences and you can read about the damage my aircraft
>>> took with my lightning strike.
>>>
>>> By the way, I bought a lottery ticket straight after my hit but i
>>> didn't win anything. I assume that I have used up all of my luck
>>>
>>> Cheers, Paul
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 9
>> _____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: Rowland Carson <rowil@clara.net>
>> Subject: Europa-List: rudder pulley access holes in cockpit module
>>
>>
>> I'm just starting to highlight the trimming lines on the cockpit
>> module with a fine felt-tip pen so I can see where to cut.
>>
>> I'm puzzled by the marks on the starboard side of the centre tunnel,
>> at the side of the seat area. My printed manual does not identify any
>> individual holes, but the PDF manual from the factory website marks
>> it and the corresponding one on port as "rudder pulley access holes".
>> The approximately-horizontal flanges on which they appear are
>> asymmetrical - wider on the starboard side than the port. The port
>> side hole is clearly outlined and also cross-hatched. On the
>> starboard side are 2 oval areas about the same size and slightly
>> overlapping. The outboard one is cross-hatched and the inboard one is
>> not.
>>
>> Do I cut out just the hatched one, or just the unhatched one?
>>
>> My guess would be only the hatched one, as it appears to be in about
>> the same relationship to the seat-pan as the port one. The central
>> narrow part of the tunnel is veering off to port as it reaches the
>> seat-back and that is what makes the starboard flange wider there,
>> and I assume the rudder pulleys are located equidistant from the
>> centreline or from the outside edge of the fuselage/cockpit module -
>> thus the outboard (hatched) outline is the one that's needed. Perhaps
>> the inboard position was marked in error and both correct ones have
>> been hatched to better identify them.
>>
>> Roger at the factory says he thinks it should be the hatched one, but
>> does anyone know any better before I start cutting?
>>
>> regards
>>
>> Rowland
>> --
>> | Wilma & Rowland Carson http://home.clara.net/rowil/
>> | <rowil@clara.net> ... that's Rowland with a 'w' ...
>>
>>
>> ________________________________ Message 10
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: rudder pulley access holes in cockpit module
>> From: Fred Klein <fklein@orcasonline.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, Jun 9, 2008, at 15:00 US/Pacific, Rowland Carson wrote:
>>
>>> The approximately-horizontal flanges on which they appear are
>>> asymmetrical - wider on the starboard side than the port. The port
>>> side hole is clearly outlined and also cross-hatched. On the starboard
>>> side are 2 oval areas about the same size and slightly overlapping.
>>> The outboard one is cross-hatched and the inboard one is not.
>>>
>>> Do I cut out just the hatched one, or just the unhatched one?
>>>
>>> My guess would be only the hatched one, as it appears to be in about
>>> the same relationship to the seat-pan as the port one. The central
>>> narrow part of the tunnel is veering off to port as it reaches the
>>> seat-back and that is what makes the starboard flange wider there, and
>>> I assume the rudder pulleys are located equidistant from the
>>> centreline or from the outside edge of the fuselage/cockpit module -
>>> thus the outboard (hatched) outline is the one that's needed.
>>
>> Rowland,
>>
>> Though I can no longer see the hairlines indicating the access hole
>> locations, you are correct in reasoning that the holes want to be in
>> the same relationship to the seat flanges, NOT in the same
>> relationship to the central narrow part of the tunnel which I
>> mistakenly used when I made my initial cuts. (Easily remedied w/ a
>> small patch and some 5 min. epoxy.) Take the starboard side as a guide
>> and duplicate it on the port side and you'll be good to go.
>>
>> Fred
>>
>>
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>> ________________________________ Message 11
>> ____________________________________
>>
>>
>> From: jason Parker <litesellme@yahoo.com>
>> Subject: Europa-List: fuel injected 912 is running great
>>
>>
>> Read about how I fuel injected my Titan Tornado in 3 weeks. Ialso have a
>> customer with a Europa who has one of my 914's. He will be ready to fire
>> up his engine in a month or two. mine is runningGreat! I'll add some
>> videos on UTUBE and a link on my
>> site.www.experimentalfuelinjection.com/wst_page4
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