**This email is written with malice**
Pete,
I met KW 1st. of June 2002 in Stockholm. I noticed something must be
wrong because he paid about twenty person=B4s BIG eatin and drinkin
restaurant bill by his Europa Aircraft credit card. I also noticed his
impressive camera systems which I had never seen before.
I am really sorry about your sad history with him.
I was lucky - I got my order just before the doors were closed.
If this kind of "man" were here, it would be a common habit to castrate
him.
Raimo
**This email is written with malice**
From: Peter Zutrauen
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 4:14 AM
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Europa News
**This email is written without malice.**
"I really believed as did the whole world Peter=B4s 2nd one was really
the 1000th.
KW was a market man but it is hard to accept it was not the 1000th."
It is absolutely *not* surprising. KW definitively lied to me directly
and deceived me on the phone less than 2 weeks before Europa went
bankrupt. In my lay-person's opinion, KW should be serving jail time for
his wrong-doings, deceit, and unethical opportunism. Many people, and
the brand suffered as a result.
How one person was left to financially crush a company with a great
product is still beyond my comprehension.
I also wish the best for Swift - the Europa is still a very eloquent
design. It was definitely way ahead of its time.
Cheers,
Pete
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On Thu, May 27, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Raimo Toivio <raimo.toivio@rwm.fi>
wrote:
Ian
that was shocking info!
I really believed as did the whole world Peter=B4s 2nd one was really
the 1000th.
KW was a market man but it is hard to accept it was not the 1000th.
I wish all the best for Swift (and for us, builders, operators and
Europa owners).
The Kit Planes article made good for us (thanks for Kim Prout!).
The completed and well test flight Europa retail price: it should be
around 80.000 - 120.000 euros when compareing for typical LSA-types.
Our Europas are much much more than any LSAs as we well know!
Please if you are forced to sell, ask more!
You Englishmen - sell worldwide - not only inside your little island
which is full of all kind of flying items!
We are the market!
Terveisin, Raimo Toivio
Europa XS Mono OH-XRT #417 +154 hrs (that is the one and only in the
country so it must be the most valuable in the country)
37500 Lemp=E4=E4l=E4
FINLAND
p +358-3-3753 777
f +358-3-3753 100
toivio@fly.to
www.rwm.fi
From: G-IANI
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2010 4:31 PM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Europa News
Raimo
To the best of my knowledge the total number of Europa kits sold to
date is about 900. I worked out that Peter Kember=92s aircraft (which
KW decided to label the =931000th=94) was probably No 890.
From 2004 to 2008 (when Swift took over) the total number of new kits
sold was I believe 4.
Since Swift took over I believe they have sold 2 and have orders for
about 3.
As for the number flying this is harder to estimate. In the UK we
have about 170 with permits. Worldwide your 300 is probably about right
The price of a low hours (nearly new) built Europa has, for a number
of year, been about the cost of the parts. Given that the buyer has to
accept the risk of discovering faults, damage this is not surprising.
As the aircraft get older the price drops a little. You have to look
very carefully at the details of the aircraft (Classic or XS, engine,
paintwork, upholstery, avionics etc) to know if the price is fair.
On day, when I have time, I would like to research these figures as
part of a =93History of Europa=94.
Ian Rickard G-IANI XS Trigear, 300hours
Europa Club Mods Specialist
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