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Re: AW: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy

Subject: Re: AW: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy
From: houlihan <houlihan@blueyonder.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 4 Feb 2012 10:57:23
Hi Bruno.

Be advised that fitting a locking pin on the inside of the door could
impede access to someone attempting to get you out in an emergency if you
are unable to do it yourself, of course if its only your passenger it may
not matter too much !.
 ( the last comment is not meant to be taken seriously ! !  :<))

That would not be allowed on a certified aircraft.

Tim

On 4 February 2012 09:59, uvtreith <uvtreith@t-online.de> wrote:

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> Hi Raimo,****
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> In fact, my first idea was to use the green LEDs as you suggest. LEDs on 

> doors closed. But than I thought, better no lights on when system is ok.
> But you are right; green lights will give you a safer feeling. In my
> opinion, as the rear door bolts are critical, switches on the rear bolts
> should be do it.****
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> I have seen your pippins to secure the handles. I will do the same for th
e
> passenger side.****
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> Have a nice and safe flight time too.****
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> All the best,****
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> Bruno****
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> *Von:* owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] *Im Auftrag von *Raimo Toivio
> *Gesendet:* Freitag, 3. Februar 2012 20:03
> *An:* **europa-list@matronics.com**
> *Betreff:* Re: AW: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy****
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> Hi Bruno,****
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> I elected to make a system which have two serial connected micro switches
> per door. When they are BOTH IN I have a green led. When I have two green
> leds I am pretty sure my doors are firmly closed. ****
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> Otherwice, they are open OR *system is somehow broken*. Two Greens = Th
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> System is operational = The Doors are closed.****
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> Maybe you would like to have red lights (when doors are open) instead of
> greens or change MS=B4s to be NO (normally open [when doors are open]) as
 I
> have them.****
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> I promise what more you see green lights when flying that happier you wil
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> be (there are possibilities to have masses of green)!  ;)****
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> *******
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> Notice also my extra safety: there is also a pip-pin to prevent an
> unwanted inflight door opening.****
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> Just my =BD penny or how those englismen that says so gently and good luc
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> for you!****
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> Raimo****
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> Cheers, Raimo Toivio
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> [image: Europa A2A-ala2OK]
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> *From:* uvtreith <uvtreith@t-online.de> ****
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> *Sent:* Friday, February 03, 2012 6:51 PM****
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> *To:* europa-list@matronics.com ****
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> *Subject:* AW: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy****
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> Hi Roland,****
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> I would leave the door inside its door frame and would wait for warmer
> days; maybe it will set by itself after a while. ****
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> The best protection for this is to built in an advice. I will install in
> springtime two micro switches mounted on an aluminium plate together with
 a
> common carriage bolt (Schlo=DFschraube).****
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> Please see attached pictures (just made for you). You have to make one
> mirror inverted (spiegelverkehrt). The switch-bolt arrangement weights 35
> gramm each.****
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> In my panel I have fitted two small green LED lights and the micro
> switches are openers. When the door is correctly closed, the LED will go
> out.****
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> Best Regards,****
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>  ****
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> Bruno ****
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> -----Urspr=FCngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] Im Auftrag von Roland
> Gesendet: Freitag, 3. Februar 2012 12:32
> An: ****europa-list@matronics.com****
> Betreff: Europa-List: Deformation of canopy****
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> Hi all,****
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> yesterday something embarrassing (and dangerous) happened to me. After
> departure (already in 5000 ft) I noticed that the door on the copilot-sid
e
> was not locked on the rear side (I almost hear you saying: "that cannot
> happen when you worked through the checklist prior take off"). You are so
> right!****
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> After the first shock (suddenly the appropriate passage of the POH came
> crystal clear in my mind: "when the door springs open it will most likely
> depart the aircraft") I asked my Co to pull the handle in front and I did
> the same on the rear.****
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> I was so lucky to land with my Europa as a whole!! When leaving the
> aircraft my Co noticed a resistance when opening the door. It turned out,
> that the frame on the top of the door seemed to be deformed in a way that
> the gap between door and frame/roof became too small causing this
> resistance approximately when half open (then the door frame contacts the
> roof frame) . When complete open or closed everything seems normal. The
> hinges and screws where it's mounted are apparently undamaged.  ****
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> Does anyone have a suggestion how to bring the door into a perfect fit
> again?****
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> Thanks for your input!****
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> Regards****
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> Roland****
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