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Re: Europa-List: Re: cameras and mounting

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: cameras and mounting
From: Pete <peterz@zutrasoft.com>
Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2012 06:51:22

Hi Carl,

The Canuck is one very vibrating and noisy fabric and tube airplane (a C-85 with
a currently unbalanced prop), and I was very surprised that the camera image
didn't shake more. It does "swim" a bit in the video if you look closely when
the airframe meets the mount's resonance frequency.  Because the aircraft is
tube&rag, mount is a combination of RAM parts:


http://www.gpscity.ca/ram-mount-steel-u-bolt-motorcycle-mount-base-ram-b-231u.html
http://www.gpscity.ca/ram-mount-long-arm-b-socket-ram-b-201u-c.html
http://www.gpscity.ca/ram-mount-camera-mount-mini-plate-rap-b-366u.html
+ the stock GoProHero2 mount.

I noticed that when I made the mount longer with another length and a 'joiner'
the resonant frequency changed as expected.  I fabricated a 1 lb steel wieght
and tried it on the camera end of the mount in a hope that the resonant freq 
would
decrease below idle, but I found i would need much more weight and stopped
using it.

The Hero2 doesn't advertise image stabilization, and when hand-held seems to b
e very jumpy, but on the (vibrating) airframe its pretty good as the vid showed.
Better than expected on my trail-ridden dual sport motorcycle too.  The colours
are better than that video depicts, as that was a very grey/dark day here
in springtime Ottawa, Canada.

After reviewing many cameras, the Hero2 came out with the best quality, and I 
have
been very happy with it.

Cheers,
Pete


On Aug 3, 2012, at 4:16 AM, "Carl Pattinson" <carl@flyers.freeserve.co.uk> 
wrote:

> 
> Hi Pete,
> 
> The Youtube clip is really clear and steady (no vibration). How is the
> camera mounted onto the airframe.
> 
> I had real problems with vibration from the airframe.
> 
> The only way I managed to iron these out was to mount camera (it's a bullet
> camera) on the headset side but only problem is that every time I turn my
> head the field of view changes which doesn't make for good viewing.
> 
> The camera is a VIO pov camera which in itself is excellent as the camera
> and control box are separate - you can see what the lens is seeing in real
> time.
> 
> Just need to find a way of damping out the vibrations.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter Zutrauen
> Sent: 02 August 2012 15:03
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: cameras and mounting
> 
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> I'd be really interested in seeing some of your vids!  They would be
> inspirational for my build. I'd be happy to pay you for a DVD or two
> :-)
> 
> Since getting back into the air last November I've also been videoing my
> every flight (in a group-owned 1946 Fleet Canuck sadly - but it is
> a tailwheel and does have a stick :-)    Taking vids started out as a
> way for my ailing father to go flying with me vicariously (which he enjoys
> immensely), but I also see the value in reviewing my flights and performance
> (or lack of it).  Here's a short 1080i (one has to select the higher
> resolution) example I threw up on youtube from last
> winter:    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ACiM2u0YTvw
> 
> I find the GoPro2 to be a great little camera - and even in the noisy/shaky
> canuck, the vids come out clear except for some vibration through the
> resonance point.  I attempted to smooth it out with by adding weight to the
> camera with mixed results. I am using the rubber-ball ram mount system
> (clamped to a cross bar behind my head) which obviously has some flex due to
> the rubber.
> 
> I bought a couple of earbud-size mics and velcroed them into my A20 headset
> (Did I mention the Canuck is *noisy*?), to get some background engine
> noise/music/atc into the vid.  I picked them up them from:
> http://www.soundprofessionals.com/cgi-bin/gold/item/SP-BMC-2
> 
> The GoPro2 also takes great still photos. The resolution from even 1080i
> frame grabs is pretty darn good.
> 
> Cheers,
> Pete
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 8:47 AM, John Wighton <john@wighton.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have a GoPro mounted inside the cockpit attached to the roof centre bar
> just behind my head.  A std sticky GoPro supplied pad adhered 100% to the
> surface.  I use the invert function in the camera as it is mounted upside
> down.
>> 
>> I have a second mount external in a similar position but as far fwd on the
> T bar (fits between the doors when they are both up).  The sticky pad mount
> is almost impossible to remove, so beware.
>> 
>> Interestingly the speed seem to reduce 7kts when the camera is on the
> outside.
>> 
>> I try to film every flight and correlate the GPS tracks and film in a
> library.  Its good to analyse your own performance, check speeds and record
> all the instruments.  I discovered that l check the brakes (trigear finger
> brakes)  3 times during a t/o roll!  I also found out l rock the wings a
> lot!
>> 
>> There is no shake, rattle or shimmy with the GoPro - set to 720i
> resolution.  The prop does not intrude in the picture.
>> 
>> I will also try the suction mount on the wingtip soon, possibly with some
> wool tufts to show breakaway during stalls.
>> 
>> Regards
>> John
>> 
>> --------
>> John Wighton
>> Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Read this topic online here:
>> 
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379853#379853
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