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Re: Europa-List: Power loss and Inspecting comments

Subject: Re: Europa-List: Power loss and Inspecting comments
From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 23:19:55
Paul,
I make sure my drain for the cobra neck is a ways down the tube so the 
first time I know my tank is full (other than my sight gauge) is fuel 
runs out the vent / drain.  This keeps the bugs out and the tube clean I 
guess.  I put the vent inboard just enough to miss my toes on an 
overfill.

Airplanes are 20,000 compromises flying in close formation.  So we all 
have to put up with something.  I have never had a problem with my vent 
tube or drain.  But then again I have a trigear and operate off of 
asphalt.  I too do not like fumes in the plane, so I make a metal elbows 
for the filler, use lined fuel tube, (R9 style), put drains under the 
tank bottom reinforcements, under my cockpit module where my pumps are, 
under my seats where the filters are so I know if I have a leak 
anywhere, and it all stays clean.
My wheel pants are quite low for speed and so I avoid soggy grass 
strips.

Those who complain about upper vent vs lower vent are living with other 
compromises.  I just don't like them up there and because I tend to do a 
bit of spirited flying, fuel comes out of my upper drains if installed 
and fuel stains.  They are tough to finish nice also, and the sight 
gauge vent tends to change the fuel level at different speeds.  They are 
also tougher for the upholster to finish on the inside.

It is all about compromises and preferences.

Best Regards,
bud
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Paul McAllister<mailto:paul.the.aviator@gmail.com> 
  To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> 
  Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2013 12:09 AM
  Subject: Re: Europa-List: Power loss and Inspecting comments


  Bud, 


  Thank you for your comments.  Well thought out and valuable as always.


  I was one of the earlier pioneers of the system to route my filling 
vent and into the top of the cobra inlet. For the fuel tank / system 
vent I did something different again.


  I adopted the idea that Robin use and placed my vent in the backside 
of the wing root.  At the time I thought this was a great idea, but over 
time perhaps its only a good idea, maybe not even that.  The upside is 
that it is unlikely to be plugged by mud, but there are a number of 
downsides:


  - Once in a great while, if I over fill the tank, it will run out of 
this vent and out of the wing root over the flap. I inspect the flap 
regularly to make sure fuel has not got inside the core and dissolved 
the foam.


  - If I over fill the tank the fumes make there way into the flap drive 
slot during flight.


  - I have to take the wing off to inspect the vent which doesn't happen 
regularly.  There is a slight risk on my area that an insect called a 
"Mud Dauber" can get in there.


  So, in conclusion, while these departures from the original design 
seem like a good idea there are often hidden consequences.


  Over the years I have become involved in inspecting and technical 
counselling for the EAA, and the experience of this community has taught 
me that fuel systems and modifications to them feature high on the list 
of accident causes.


  Cheers, Paul


  On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 10:40 PM, Bud Yerly 
<budyerly@msn.com<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>> wrote:

    Jim, and tibits for the rest of us:
    After the tire failure and the subsequent off roading mud and dirt 
experience while cross country, I commend you for your pursuit of the 
problem which cost you much time, and money.  You knew you had a mud 
plugged vent, but an experienced guy like you missed the kinked vent 
line cause.  So what's a normal guy to do?

    I had to ponder that we (really me), are always quick to assume an 
engine related problem is causing the power loss.  You told me about 
finding the kink but I still assumed that you had a carb problem.  You 
cleared the clogged vent, but who would have thought about the rest of 
the vent system and a possible kinked line when the plane has been 
flying for years.  I am anal about fuel system install and operation, 
but once installed, I rarely look beyond making sure there is not 
chaffing or leaks.

    Added for all of us:
    Recently I just finished an extended annual and another fuel tank 
replacement / annual in a couple aircraft that I helped customers build 
back in 2002 and 2004.  Interesting to note that on both aircraft, that 
they were past the 5 year hose replacement timeframe (we all dread 
that).  In both aircraft I found that the vent line was kinked or 
compromised.  In one of the aircraft when the upholsterer forced the 
fabric around the fuel cover he had forced the fuel cover over one of 
the polyurethane vent lines and over time the cover pushed on it nearly 
flat so it barely vented properly, and on the other, the vent line was 
perfect looking, but the hose was horribly brittle because the vent tube 
was made from clear Tygon tubing.  Tygon is supposed to be completely 
impervious to fuel related problems.  Duh, maybe not...

    In my old Europa Operators Manual there was the requirement to pull 
the fuel bosses off and flush the tank annually, which is quite tough, 
but never to check our vent system, and in the new ops manual, it only 
indicates to check and inspect for leaks.  The 5 year recommendation for 
changing hoses is still there, but not the vent lines.  Vent lines never 
get checked.  

    As far as I know, you are the first with an underside vent that ever 
got plugged, however, you are the only mono I know of with the vent on 
the bottom and operate off of grass a lot.  In the trigear the vent on 
the bottom is always clean, but your point of the oil overflow on the 
right side of the cowl exit and a centrally located vent will be a 
potential problem for oil, grime and dirt.  I'll have to admit I will 
make sure my annual checklist is changed to check the vents.

    I prefer not to vent out of the top because with the motor glider in 
turns when trying to soar, the fuel sprays out of the vent in right 
turns.  It also will vent fuel out if overfilled on a hot day in Florida 
and let set in the sun (especially a mono), which of course can ruining 
the paint.  

    Inspecting an aircraft is not an exact science.  Manufacturers and 
regulating agencies give only vague guidance.  We are the manufacturer 
as the builder, so we set the guidelines for inspections of our 
aircraft, and if the kit manufacturer gives guidance, we the 
manufacturer of the aircraft should be more specific, not less to 
include info on our added systems, changes, modifications, and 
additional wear areas or time change items due to all the above.  I'm in 
the US, and have my A&P use the FAA FAR 43 Appendix D as well as the 
engine 100 hour checklist and I insist on him using the Kit 
Manufacturers guidelines such as the Appendix E of the build manual and 
Section 8 of the Ops manual when inspecting an experimental aircraft.  
Now, I have been accused of doing a complete rebuild instead of an 
annual inspection, but I am anal so that is my excuse, but on an 
experimental aircraft (especially one I didn't help build or maintain) I 
have found that there are many non standard items, routing conflicts 
between wiring, fuel lines, brake lines and control cables, as well as 
poor installation of equipment and structural construction mistakes that 
the builder and final FAA inspector missed on the initial Airworthiness 
Inspection.  The FAA actually requires us, as US Experimental Aircraft 
Manufacturers, to have established maintenance and operations 
procedures.

    I am attaching my personal annual inspection checklist out in the 
open to show what we the builder can do to improve the inspections on 
our aircraft.  I only just added an item to inspect the fuel vents since 
you called me about the problem weeks ago.  I developed this checklist 
long ago, before becoming a Europa owner and just tailored it to include 
items in the Europa Section 8 inspection, the FAA and LAA recommended 
guidelines etc.  I am preparing to submit some of this info in a 
condensed fashion in an updated Tech Support section of Europa's Website 
as well as some other notes we all should know when maintaining the 
Europa.  Now this is my personal checklist, not for general 
dissemination as a Europa Directive, but provided for others to see that 
an annual inspection is not a walk around.  But then again, it is not an 
IRAN (Inspect and Repair as Necessary) like the military does by 
completely disassembling every panel, inside and out, instruments, 
wings, engine, etc. and inspect, refurbish, service and repair all the 
above, it is however, more than a quick check for wrinkles in the skin, 
change the oil and sign it off.

    Great job of troubleshooting and thanks for the report Jim.  Your 
findings and my recent observations have changed my annual checklist for 
sure...

    Regards,
    Bud Yerly


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