I just ordered another PC680 for my 912 S Europa. This one lasted almost 5
years. I have had little problem with these batteries, even when using a st
andard automotive battery charger that brings the battery up to about 13.5
or volts. Lately it has only been able to bring the battery up to 12.8 v an
d I have been having problems starting, especially when cold. But today was
65 degrees F. so I pulled it out, saw the date on it, and bit the bullet.
Does anyone know of a charger that will charge these batteries properly - n
ormally when cold I turn on my engine block heater and put the charger on t
he battery to warm it up and I have no problem. However, I did try an Odess
ey battery charger and it burned up - I was lucky I didn't lose the plane.
Odessey was less than helpful and basically blew me off after admitting tha
t charger model had problems. They apparently dropped that model and brough
t out a new model but I felt a tad nervous about using their charger. Any s
uggestions?
Gary Leinberger
N388SG
Europa A237
Lancaster, Pa., USA
380 hours.
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1. 01:18 AM - Re: Which battery claims should I believe? (clivesutton
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2. 09:24 AM - Europa Aircraft - location change (John Wighton)
3. 12:13 PM - Re: Which battery claims should I believe? (JonathanMil
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Subject: Europa-List: Re: Which battery claims should I believe?
From: "clivesutton" <clive.maf@googlemail.com>
Hi Jonathan,
To contribute to to your original question (which is indeed fascinating) i
think
the answer may have to do with the internal chemistries/construction of eac
h,
the way each Mfr interprets e.g. CCA and CA testing and their market focus.
I believe that:
Varley have the best Pulse Hot Cranking Amp performance because they are of
sealed
bog std lead acid construction. But this comes at the price of life (from
apprenticeship days i recall that the pure lead plates can buckle under con
tinuous
high-amperage discharge and eventually this and sulphation shorts an indivi
dual
cell, dropping the battery voltage).
The Odessey and the Tanya are both Absorbed Glass Mat tech - a tech which s
eems
to offer a better life at the expense of lower Cold-Cranking Performance an
d
capacity - a kind of compromise. In my view this is perhaps best type suit
ed
to our application given the sometimes lengthy time gaps between use. The
912S's
higher capacity starter motor is rated at 0.9kW at 12v which translates to
a demand of 300A for 1 sec and then 75A for the remainder to the maximum 1
0-second
start cycle. So providing the battery cabling is short and 4SWG/16mm2
those were the reasons for my choice of the Odessey battery.
Whilst Odessey list Aircraft use as an application, Tanya seem to list the
EC680
as predominantly a Motorcycle battery. Even more curious is that Tanya wil
l
sell both batteries - with the EC680 being 20 cheaper. Vibration durabilit
y
perhaps?
https://www.tayna.co.uk/industrial-batteries/odyssey/pc680/?gclid=EAIaIQo
bChMI7uHf9L244QIVz5TtCh17tgzhEAQYAiABEgKa3fD_BwE
https://www.tayna.co.uk/motorcycle-batteries/enduroline/ec680/
There is also a lot of re-badging going on in the battery world and i wonde
r if
the PC680/EC680 is an example of that
Hope it can add to the debate . . .
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Subject: Europa-List: Europa Aircraft - location change
From: "John Wighton" <john@wighton.net>
Please see the announcement by Europa.
http://www.europa-aircraft.co.uk/news/item/europa-aircraft-is-moving
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John Wighton
Europa XS trigear G-IPOD
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Subject: Europa-List: Re: Which battery claims should I believe?
From: "JonathanMilbank" <jdmilbank@yahoo.co.uk>
Clive, your reply is really helpful and your "re-badging" suggestion is mor
e or
less borne out by a man I spoke to at Tanya, although who's to say whether
the
"own brand" EC680 is of just as high a quality as the PC680. The 20 reducti
on
in price might suggest cheaper components and processes.
So I "bit the bullet" and ordered the Odyssey, after having been beaten int
o submission
by the overwhelming flood of testimonials in its favour. Thanks to all
for the repeated "lashes with the Odyssey whip". I feel so much better!
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