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Subject: Europa-List: Re: UK pilots - online GAR submission being trialled
From: Hitchflight <bobhitchcock@icloud.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2019 02:35:30

Hi Richard

No GAR required when leaving the U.K. 

Except 

If going to Isle of Man, the Republic of Ireland, Northern Ireland, Channel 
Islands
If you are travelling to those European Countries such as The Netherlands who 
fully
re-adopted the GAR system a few years ago. In this context your Skydemon
effectively helps populate the inbound Dutch document. A return outbound 
document
is also required. Keep electronic receipts. Cleverly the Sky Demon recognises
the extra need EU GAR need and when needed. It is not U.K. specific. 

The Irish Republic have introduced a GAR: From my perspective there is a lack of
consistency of application of the rules within the Republic of Ireland. I am
certain the Irish would acknowledge that themselves. They are endeavouring to
remedy. Example Weston requires 24 hours notice and the compiling an Irish GAR
in addition to the U.K. GAR for both out bound and inbound. i.e. like we now
experience for The Netherlands. There is no exemption for the Common Travel 
Area.
The confusion comes about from different rules prepared in 2016 and now 
increasingly
applied. Initially these new proposed Irish rules did not take fully into
account that some Irish airports are publicly owned and some are privately 
owned.
Furthermore remember a lot of this reappraisal has occurred in readiness
for Brexit from the perspective of the Irish Republic.
That being said the Irish are incredibly welcoming and understanding. 
The advice is to speak to the intended airfield of arrival and or use the forms
on the selected airfields website or indeed manual document creation.
The Irish officials themselves are grappling with the changes coming in. 
Skydemon would normal automatically prompts the correct form for all countries.
The exception being Ireland where a manual download of an Irish Republic GAR
is necessary, at the moment (to be fair to Skydemon, the product assumes 
consistency).


Links below.

Official sources:

https://www.revenue.ie/en/tax-professionals/tdm/customs/Aviation-and-Marine/civil-aviation-manual.pdf
The new Republic of Ireland GAR
https://flyinginireland.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/IrishGARForm.pdf


Looking forward. Further changes expected in 2020. And of course potential 
Brexit
may impact detail. Good idea to keep under review. As there may be changes
depending on which of the three types of airport/airstrip you use: 

A. U.K. DESIGNATED: e.g. , Biggin Hill, Cambridge, East Midlands Airport. Noting
that these airports have a requirement to notify to book out. 
B. GENERAL AVIATION AGREEMENT AERODROMES: e.g. Elstree, Tatenhill
C. PRIVATE AIRFIELDS AND AIRSTRIPS (Everywhere else) e.g. Coal Aston Airstrip 

Each have a specific advance notification time or combination. 

Trust that helps?

Will you be in Portugal when the Europa formation passes through in September?
Or maybe you may join our group led by David Park? Five Europas in the formation
to date. (Noting Spain now requires an AUTORIZACION VUELO EN ESPAA)


Regards

Bob


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