I have tried every brand of tire available on the market, and none of
them last any longer than any others. I've even tried the top of the
line Goodyear Flight Custom II's........no better. Now I simply buy
"re-treads" and save a bunch of money.
Garry Stout
Trigear, 460 hours
----- Original Message -----
From: Karl Heindl
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 31, 2008 10:09 PM
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
BoB,
My Michelin tires are from ACS , 500x5, part no. 06-00016. It seems a
vey tough tire, but I have no idea how it
compares to the other makes. They also have the really expensive
Michelin air tires, which would be worth getting
if they last at least twice as long as the cheaper ones.
Cheers,
Karl
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From: ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2008 23:29:12 +0100
Hi! All/Karl Heindl
I=92m wondering if you=92d kindly share the detail sizes,
specification and source of the Michelin Tyres you are using. I would
like to order my next set to do my own comparison =85..prices and all ?
I have recently replaced mine and have been using a more square profile
of tyre recommended by Watts Tyres but must confess I haven=92t the
detail without removing spats to inspect them.
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Leinberger
Sent: 31 March 2008 22:23
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
I think you are correct - given the nature of the Europa beast -
trying to make the wheels square and toed in properly, given you build
it without the engine weight in it, and with no adjustment - the cost of
new tires is just the way it is -
gl
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karl Heindl
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 1:56 PM
To: europa-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
Gary,
I think you are right, but then every Europa is a little different.
I followed the manual very carefully, and have not experienced any real
problems, not with tracking anyway. The tire wear is on the outer edge,
and when the profile has worn off I reverse the tires to wear the other
side. I may do this a couple more times and in theory the tires will
actually last longer than with symmetric wear.
The original tires didn't last very long as the rubber was much
softer and there is no steel re-enforcement. I now have Michelins.
Karl
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> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
> Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2008 11:03:50 -0400
> From: Gary.Leinberger@millersville.edu
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
>
<Gary.Leinberger@millersville.edu>
>
> I spent a great deal of time trying to engineer a vernier type
setting
> for adjusting the toe in - but after discussing it with several
people
> was told it works out - normally - my fear is when I do it I may
not get
> it just right and have tracking problems - maybe the way to adjust
it is
> to use creative landings - a friend of mine (to be un-named)
managed to
> bend his - of course this would only work in one direction - :-) -
>
> Oin the interest of getting this thing done prior to receiving my
first
> social security check I am going to go with the manueal and
measure
> about fifty times -
>
>
> Gary Leinberger
> A237
> Slow and Unsteady
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Robert C
> Harrison
> Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 2:46 AM
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
>
> --> <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
>
> Hi! Michael
> IMHO there has been insufficient attention paid to this question
of
> loaded toe in. G-PTAG is too heavy on tyre wear and when winched
> backwards up the trailer ramps the reverse toe is really
excessive. I
> last used washing up soap on the ramps which shows the tyre
scrubbing
> instead of deforming.
> It almost calls for a control system at the top of the gear legs
to be
> able to "vernier" the toe setting?
> Regards
> Bob Harrison G-PTAG
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Michael
> Grass
> Sent: 27 March 2008 00:52
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
>
<m.grass@comcast.net>
>
> Duncan,
>
> I can not give you any ideas how the tracking will change once the
plane
> is loaded. I believe based on the geometric setup, the gear will
flex
> out (getting wider) and will toe in. I am not sure yet how I will
be
> able to
>
> measure it but definatly will try once the plane is loaded but
this will
>
> still take quite some time. This summer I hope I get the wings
closed
> and all liftpins, crossbar and the flap drive tube in.
>
> Regards
>
> Michael Grass
> A266 Trigear Detroit
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Duncan & Ami McFadyean" <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 7:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
>
>
> > <ami@mcfadyean.freeserve.co.uk>
> >
> > Michael,
> > Any thoughts (or measurements) as to how the tracking changes
once the
>
> > weight of the aircraft is placed on the legs (that have been
set-up to
>
> > zero toe-in/toe-out)?
> >
> > Duncan McF.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Michael Grass" <m.grass@comcast.net>
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2008 9:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
> >
> >
> >> Hi Rob,
> >>
> >> The complaint I have is to myself that I do not find the time
to do
> more
> >> building. I enjoy time spend on my plane. The point I tried to
make
> is
> >> that
> >> the builder spend quite some time on the web for the main gear
> sockets.
> >> Even without the top on you spend a lot time bending over.
> >> Building should be fun. It is more fun if you work smart and
try to
> have
> >> as
> >> easy access as possible. To me, time spend building is therapy.
What
> you
> >> don't want is therapy after time spend building so work smart
and
> enjoy
> >> the
> >> quality time spend with your project.
> >>
> >> What I did, I used bondo and stuck 5 reference points to the
garage
> >> floor. 3
> >> along the centerline of the fuselage. One in the front, one in
the
> center
> >> of
> >> the main gear legs and one in the center under the fin. all
lined up
> and
> >> on
> >> the exact same height and in level along a line.
> >>
> >> Then I bonded with bondo the endpoints of the main gear legs to
the
> >> floor.
> >> Again made sure with Pythagoras help that it was square to the
center
>
> >> line
> >> and on the same
> >> level.
> >>
> >> After that I rolled my fuselage cradle over those points and
used M12
> >> threaded rod as a height adjustment to level the fuselage over
my 3
> >> reference points along the center line and clamped the main
gear legs
>
> >> into
> >> position.
> >>
> >> This kept the fuselage the whole time igid and secured in
place.
> >>
> >> I kept this setup in place till the top fuselage was bonded on.
> Nothing
> >> moved and all is plum, squared and level.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael Grass
> >> A266 Trigear, Detroit
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Rob Housman" <rob@hyperion-ef.com>
> >> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> >> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 10:36 AM
> >> Subject: RE: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
> >>
> >>
> <rob@hyperion-ef.com>
> >>>
> >>> We cuss a lot.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>>
> >>> Rob Housman
> >>> Irvine, CA
> >>> Europa XS Tri-Gear
> >>> A070
> >>> Airframe complete
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> >>> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Michael
>
> >>> Grass
> >>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 6:14 AM
> >>> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> >>> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
> >>>
> <m.grass@comcast.net>
> >>>
> >>> Craig,
> >>>
> >>> My web took some 80h to complete without thhe top on. I can
not
> imagine
> >>> how
> >>> peope do this with the top and no frequent vistits to the
> chiropractor.
> >>>
> >>> Regards
> >>>
> >>> Michael Grass
> >>>
> >>> A266, 914, Woodcomp prop,
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "raggi6771" <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
> >>> To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> >>> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:15 AM
> >>> Subject: Europa-List: Trike Main gear sockets
> >>>
> >>>
> <craigb@onthenet.com.au>
> >>>>
> >>>> Just curious, how many of you fitted the main gear leg
sockets
> before
> >>>> you bonded the top on.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Visit - www.EuropaOwners.org
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Checked by AVG.
> 25/03/2008 19:17
>
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>
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