Hi! Graham,
Thanks for your very valued input from your awful experience. I also am
very impressed with the concept that Fred has submitted. It is just a
pity that someone has to go through the expense of engineering PROOF
LOADING and design procedure and finish up with needing to pay for a
damn mod. to put it into practice. I would think that it could well be
applied to many types of aircraft. Unfortunately such costs are way
ahead of a damn pensioner !
Regards
Bob Harrison. G-PTAG
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[mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GRAHAM
SINGLETON
Sent: 27 October 2013 09:50
Subject: Re: Europa-List: Seatbelt mount
Bob
I can verify that occasionally such drastic incidents are surviveable. I
can also confirm that compression fractures of the spine do result, so I
am very impressed with Fred Klein's solution.
My own conclusion is that unless one's training is so good that one can
guarantee not having an accidental spin, (which I can not!) for me a
Long EZ would be a more forgiving airplane. I flew several EZs for 15
years, when I started flying Europa's I soon realised that EZs may well
make one overconfident. I have spun many airplanes and gliders, as "good
practice/training?" trouble with spin recovery is you end up going
straight down at high speed halfway through the recovery.
Even so, all airplanes bite if not respected at all times. IOW don't
push your airplane out of it's comfort zone!
Bottom line is most of us don't fly enough to be always ahead of the
airplane.
Graham
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From: Bob Harrison <ptag.dev@tiscali.co.uk>
Sent: Sunday, 27 October 2013, 0:18
Subject: RE: Europa-List: Seatbelt mount
Hi! Mark,
I have for some time been aware of this issue and possible compression
of the spine from the harness location of the Europa .
I have over 1000 hours with the harness all as standard . Perhaps such
a drastic incident would be likely unsurvivable anyway.
However I have at some time seen an arrangement with a hinged block on
top of the existing seat back which ensures that the potential for any
spine compressive forces is removed. However It would need extensive
load testing and need to be very resilient so I=99ve never done
anything further. It would also need the length of the shoulder straps
to be much longer .
Regards
Bob Harrison G-PTAG
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Sent: 26 October 2013 22:22
Subject: Europa-List: Seatbelt mount
Hi,
At the beginning of the year I purchased a Europa XS Tri Gear about 60%
completed project. I=99ve been reading your postings which have
been helping me with my project. I=99ve been reading somewhere
about the rear mounting point for the seatbelt is not in the best
position and I was wondering what the thoughts were on relocating the
rear mount point to the roof of the cockpit.
Has anyone done this before? I was wondering what your thoughts were,
weather it would be worth the extra work or would it just be a waste of
time?
Mark
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