Alternatively=2C don't put any oil on. Just turn c-clockwise 1/4 turn after
a few hours cure time. Even when fully cured=2C the screws will come out w
ithout any problem.Karl
> Date: Thu=2C 8 Jan 2015 09:05:03 +0000
> From: pete@lawless.info
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: Fuselage join
>
>
> Just as an extra precaution give the screws a good dose of WD40 or
> similar before fitting then they come out easily once the glue has gone
> off. I had mine in a pot pre dosed before I started the fit.
>
> Pete
> G-RMAC Classic #109
>
> On 08/01/15 01:54=2C Bud Yerly wrote:
> >
> > Time for my two cents:
> >
> > Bob Berube introduced me to using the self tapping screws but caution
> > is necessary.
> >
> > To fit the top I use US 3/32 inch clecos. This type of cleco does not
> > pull through as easily since the lower flange is four layers. After
> > fitting the top for the fourth time or more=2C sometimes I have to
> > upgrade to 1/8 inch. We have probably close to 500 clecos so no big
> > deal for us.
> >
> > For those using the British style temporary fastener:
> > I will use washers with the British style fastener as the lip on these
> > fasteners deteriorate the hole in fiberglass pretty quick. If I have
> > to put on a washer=2C I have to prep the area=2C and I glue the washer
on
> > with super glue. Lasts a long time. Gluing is all about the prep. I
> > wash the whole kit first with TSP or detergent to remove the release
> > wax. Then I clean the joint with acetone and scotch brite. If you
> > sand=2C and it makes dust=2C it's ready to glue. No dust on sanding=2C
bad
> > joint.
> >
> > Like Ron and many others=2C I will screw on my top on final=2C because
I
> > can put the screw in and pull down until the skins come to a nice
> > fit. Don't pull the screw down hard and force the two skins to pull
> > down so hard as to squeeze all the glue out. Nor do you want the
> > screw to pull the outer skin away from the inner. It's a technique.
> > Be careful. Screws are the same principle as the screw type temp
> > fastener=2C which can be pulled down too tight as well.
> >
> > Technique:
> > To get a nice fit=2C and get control of my joint=2C I open up my top si
de
> > holes a bit to allow the screw to spin and not grip=2C and then allow
> > the self tapping screw threads to bite into the lower so I can adjust
> > the skin pull down with careful screw gun use...
> >
> > As for fit. I try to keep the sides level=2C but don't worry. Just
> > fill it. The sides are flat on the kit=2C and I like to fill the sides
> > then block a nice curvy rounded side. If the filler ever gets beyond
> > 3/32 inch=2C consider putting a layer of 2 oz. glass over the filler.
> > Peel ply and its ready for a bit more filler... No cracking. If you
> > are worrying about your walkway area showing cracks around the wing
> > fillet to skin=2C we lay one layer of carbon from just behind the wing
> > spar out to the first forward rib to stiffen the skin=2C and to prevent
> > cracks in the filler which is scary seeing cracks in your wing.
> > Filler is a necessary evil in a composite airplane. Learn the
> > technique. I started learning to fill by doing my wheel pants. I
> > have found that nice wheel pants take as long to fill as the
> > fuselage. All those curvy fillets are a pain.
> >
> > Have a happy new year you all.
> >
> > Best Regards=2C
> > Bud Yerly
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------
> > From: "rparigoris" <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> > Sent: Wednesday=2C January 07=2C 2015 8:09 PM
> > To: <europa-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Europa-List: Re: Fuselage join
> >
> >> <rparigor@suffolk.lib.ny.us>
> >>
> >> Hi Group
> >>
> >> As far as the fuse seam joint: "awe=2C just screw it"!
> >>
> >> I used Clecos for a gazillion on and offs=2C but screws that captured
> >> very nice.
> >>
> >> I detailed my top bond on=2C could save a bunch of bullets in your foo
t:
> >> http://www.europaowners.org/main.php?g2_itemId=35521
> >> (3 pages)
> >>
> >> There are more notes than this so study pics and my notes. Here are a
> >> few:
> >> ** pay attention for need to trim sternpost (easy to overlook)
> >> ** as I noted use enough fasteners=2C you can see recovery (I found ou
t
> >> when I cut vent hole)
> >> ** my kit was missing foam and second layer of glass on the inboard
> >> side=2C so I added foam and glass
> >> ** My fin ribs fit terrible=2C so I mutilated and made them fit
> >> ** poor fit starboard side corner fixed by "dolphin" repair
> >>
> >> Good luck.
> >> Top bond on was a fun part of build! Enjoy.
> >> Sincerely
> >> Ron Parigoris
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Read this topic online here:
> >>
> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=436762#436762
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