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Re: Whirlwind prop for motor gliders?

Subject: Re: Whirlwind prop for motor gliders?
From: Jerry Davis <lts@avnet.co.uk>
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2000 07:51:42

For those seaking an hydaulic prop I note that MT now offer an hydraulic 
prop for the Dyn Aero range of A/C. Its use prevents the use of a Vac 
pump (which I don't want in any case) its a little heavy considering the 
prop itself and the hydaulic governor etc.. In favour its very fast 
changing pitch and has the MT quality. I am not convinced that two 
blades are more efficient than three. Especially on the Rotax 912S which 
has a higher reduction ratio. It may be more efficient to have two 
blades at high speeds but my money is on three blades in the takeoff and 
climb phase. For us in the UK that's a major consideration. I'll put my 
three blades up against two any day of the week.

Jerry

                                                lts@avnet.co.uk
                                http://www.avnet.co.uk/touchdown
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Terry Seaver
  Cc: Europa Mail List ; Whirlwind propellers
  Subject: Re: Whirlwind prop for motor gliders?


  Bob Jacobsen wrote:
    The factory Tri-Gear Europa was damaged in a landing at Lakeland 
before
    Arlington and did not fly out.  It had nothing to do with the engine 
- the
    nose gear had a weld fail.  It does have a Whirlwind prop that was 
undamaged
    in the incident (one advantage of 2 blade props!)and the plane will 
be at
    Oshkosh.
    The Airmaster and some of the other electric VP props do fully 
feather.
    Currently the Whirlwind does not offer this although Bob from Europa 

    Lakeland said there has been some talk of it - maybe in the future?  
The
    Rotax is easy to stop the prop turning and won't start windmilling 
again -
    that is what saved the prop on the factory tri-gear.  They were able 
to stop
    it before landing when they knew the gear had a problem.  Remember 
though
    that even a two blade prop presents a lot of drag if it's not fully
    feathered.

    Bob Jacobsen
    A131
    

  We chose the Whirlwind prop because it has
  the lightest weight (and the weight is further back),
  has very good performance (two blades are more
  efficient than three), and is hydraulic. I had
  some concern that the electric props would not keep
  up with the speed changes during aerobatics
  (if you can't do some occasional acro you might
  as well take the bus).
  The early reports from the factory say that the
  difference in glide ratio between feathered to
  non-feathered is estimated to be 27:1 vs 25:1.
  If true, I don't consider the lack of feathering a
  show stopper.
  There is no doubt that the prop will stop at some
  low speed, the important question is; at what speed
  does it begin windmilling again ? 80 kts would be
  great, that would allow you to slow down to optimum
  gliding speed to stop the prop, and allow air restarts
  by diving to 80+ kts. 45 kts on the other hand would
  be a real problem, with the engine turning over most
  of the time.

  Terry Seaver
  A135
    



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