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Re: Europa-List: FlowScan Problems

Subject: Re: Europa-List: FlowScan Problems
From: Bud Yerly <budyerly@msn.com>
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 19:01:47
Yes,
The EIS 2000 will work with the supplied GRT fuel flow option.  If you 
add on the fuel flow after purchase, the unit should only need to be 
programmed (really easy) and on the very old EIS 2000 units, it may need 
to go back to GRT for upgrade.    

My particular experience was installing a GRT 2000 (purchased as a two 
stroke unit by accident, i.e. it was cheaper) bought in 1999.  I then 
hooked up the customers supplied Floscan senders.  I couldn't get it to 
work.  I then called GRT and found, the model I had needed to be 
upgraded for $375 (new wiring inside), so I sent it to them and had them 
upgrade the 2000 to a 4000 for a couple bucks more, and on return, it 
worked right out of the box after a one week turn around.

Again, Grand Rapids is the expert on the 2000 models years, programming 
and setup.  I just know it will work fine with one Floscan on a 912S 
(where the small amount of fuel through the return line with orifice is 
not counted) when ordered direct from GRT with the fuel flow option.  
The 2000 is quite a deal price wise, and is fine for the basic 912S.  
However, it does not have all  the capabilities of the 4000.

Regards,
Bud
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Karl Heindl<mailto:kheindl@msn.com> 
  To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> 
  Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2011 6:10 PM
  Subject: RE: Europa-List: FlowScan Problems


  Hi Bud, 


  If I read you correctly, the 2000 would give me fuel flow with just 
one Floscan ? I have a 912s.


  Karl


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  From: budyerly@msn.com<mailto:budyerly@msn.com>
  To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com>
  Subject: Re: Europa-List: FlowScan Problems
  Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 16:13:54 -0400


  John,
  It sounds like you need to look at your model as well as wire chasing 
the EIS/flow scan hookups, as others have so expertly given you advise 
for.  There are different variations for the GRT EIS and differences in 
the wiring.

  EASY WAY:  Send the unit to GRT and tell Sandy what you want.  She'll 
set up the unit and send the proper wiring diagrams to suit your 
situation.  The flow scan sensor itself is very trustworthy and I doubt 
it is the problem.  However if that is your only problem don't stop 
flying, as FF is a nice to have.

  HARDER WAY.
  Model 2000 is wired differently than Model 4000.  The older 4000 
models had to be modified for dual fuel flow.  Model 2000 and early 4000 
were set up for single fuel flow.  So power up and find out what version 
you have.  The 2000 is ideal for the 912 but not the 914.

  Get to know what version you have and study the manuals.  The single 
fuel flow is OK for the 912/912S, and the 914 needs to have the dual 
fuel flow EIS 4000 mod.  Sandy at GRT can send you the wiring 
schematic/manuals if that is all you need.

  Attached is an .xlsx file which is my standard wiring hookup for GRT 
EIS dual fuel flow on the Model 4000 for a 914 and it works.
  Also attached is the model 2000 wiring hookup from a subie I did years 
ago, note it is significantly different.  I haven't done a 2000 in 10 
years (I get them converted) so I am a bit rusty, but I know that for 
under $400 the Model 2000 can be upgraded to a 4000 the way you want it 
if you need dual fuel flow or desire additional Aux inputs.  

  It sounds as if you were not supplied with the manuals from the panel 
builder, so have Sandy email them to you.  Hook up is a piece of cake, 
just follow the schematic. 

  When you call GRT, be sure to explain your particular setup and 
version, and they will give the the necessary recommendations and offer 
recommendations, If you send the EIS to them, they'll have the techs set 
it up for you.  Then it is just plug and play, (after you do the setup / 
calibration procedures in the manual for proper reading of the fuel 
flow, of course).

  Regards,
  Bud Yerly
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    From: John Greenhalgh<mailto:john.greenhalgh1@sky.com> 
    To: europa-list@matronics.com<mailto:europa-list@matronics.com> 
    Sent: Saturday, August 06, 2011 5:59 AM
    Subject: Europa-List: FlowScan Problems


<john.greenhalgh1@sky.com<mailto:john.greenhalgh1@sky.com>>

    I'm still in the process of inital flight testing and now finding 
the
    Flowscan always reads 0.0 on my Grand Rapids EIS.  All the 
connections
    appear correct (previous project builder).  Just wondering if anyone
    could suggest a way forward.

    I have checked the ground and thats OK and then I checked the 
voltage
    of the power source at the connector to the sensor between the red 
and
    black wires and this was 10.6 volts which is a surprise as the power
    cable is connected to the regulated 12 volt supply direct from the
    EIS.

    This may or may not be the probem but I'm now in the dark with 
solving
    this puzzle.

    Is there any way to check the output from the Flowscan white sensor 
wire?

    I would welcome any suggestions.   Regards nbsp;      Features Chat, 
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