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Re: Europa-List: A question to the American "Europeans"

Subject: Re: Europa-List: A question to the American "Europeans"
From: David Joyce <davidjoyce@doctors.org.uk>
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2012 14:12:25

Will, Look up www.smartavionics.com It is run by Mark 
Burton ex Europa builder/pilot who also makes the CS prop 
controllers that a lot of Europas use.  Regards, David 
Joyce


  "William Daniell" <wdaniell@etb.net.co> wrote:
><wdaniell@etb.net.co>
> 
> Where do I get a Barbara (smartass)?
> Will
> 
> -----Original Message-----
>From: owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-europa-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf 
>Of David Joyce
> Sent: 17 September 2012 04:08
> To: europa-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Europa-List: A question to the American 
>"Europeans"
> 
> 
> Svein, This isn't an answer to your question and indeed 
>it comes from the
> wrong side of the pond, but after reading the report and 
>noting that 44% of
> the US fatal accidents are realted to loss of control in 
>the air
> (effectively stall spin accidents) it occurred to me that 
>our transatlantic
> friends might be interested in the article recently 
>published over here in
> the LAA mag. If taken seriously I believe it would savea 
>lot of the 44% from
> a nasty end.  The pictures have been removed to 
>(hopefully) allow it to
> travel, but no doubt you can use your imagination.
> Regards, David Joyce, G-XSDJ
> 
>  "Sidsel & Svein Johnsen" <sidsel.svein@oslo.online.no>
> wrote:
>> NTSB issued in May a very interesting report on accidents 
>>with amateur-built  airplanes compared to certified 
>>airplanes, based on detailed evaluation of  the numbers 
>>behind the summary statistics:
>>
>> <http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2012/SS1201.pdf>
>> http://www.ntsb.gov/doclib/reports/2012/SS1201.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> One of their findings is that many more accidents caused 
>>by loss of control  in the air happen with amateur-built 
>>than with certified airplanes, and that  a high percentage 
>>is with second-hand airplanes a short time after being
>> purchased.   NTSB points to the fact that FAA do not
>>follow the same
>> practice as many other countries do, in that FAA do not 
>>require a  pre-approved test flight program, nor approval 
>>of a report on the test  flying (only a log book entry 
>>that test flight has been completed), which in  turn may 
>>cause the pilot's operating handbook/flight manual to be 
>>lacking  important airplane characteristics.
>>
>>
>>
>> What the NTSB report do not say anything about, however, 
>>is mandatory  transition training and check out in the 
>>specific amateur-built airplane.
>> Under the joint European pilot license regime (JAR-FCL), 
>>we must receive  such training and have it entered in our 
>>log book.  This means that before  we can fly the Europa 
>>we have built (unless approved by our CAA to perform  the 
>>very first flight) we must receive such airplane-specific 
>>rating, and  also before we may pilot another Europa than 
>>our own, no matter how many  hours we have logged in our 
>>own plane and irrespective of all the  similarities 
>>between two individual Europas.
>>
>>
>>
>> Therefore the following question to the American 
>>Europeans on this forum:
>> Before you can legally be the pilot of ANY experimental 
>>classed,  amateur-built airplane, are you not required by 
>>FAA to receive transition  training/rating check-out by a 
>>pre-approved CFI or other experienced,  approved person, 
>>even for flying a "sister" airplane of the same type and 
>> model that you may already be experienced in?
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Svein
>>
>> LN-SKJ
>>
>>
>>
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>Admin.
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