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Subject: Re: Europa-List: Re: LAA/CAA IFR permission on europas
From: Dpy01 <alanb@dpy01.co.uk>
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 12:40:20

Peter,

In my experience the missed approach procedure is set up as a means of 'escape'
as a result of the Hazard Analysis on the approach as well as a means to 'going
around' should minimums not be met.

If the primary approach system, ground or aircraft equipment, fails then the 
missed
approach procedure would be a secondary means of addressing that failure.

In other words on an ILS approach if the ILS fails then the missed approach 
would
be either of NDB or VOR.

I could go on all day on explaining but it is essentially that premise which 
often
means that you will see a GPS approach with an alternate NDB or VOR missed
approach procedure.

I've not seen a missed approach on a GPS, or radar, yet but I would expect one
at some time but I think that it would be secondary to another primary approach.

The current equipment list for CAT flights does not require an NDB for Airways
in the UK, this was dropped a few years ago, however they are required to carry
equipment required to undertake the published missed approach procedure.

As I've always flown aircraft fitted with all the requirements, including NDB,
I've never looked at the regulations closer. With the prospect of a Europa 
possible
being suitable the only thing I know is what is in the public domain via
the LAA at the moment and I have no doubt the next step will be a technical 
leaflet
providing the necessary guidance in accordance with the ANO as and when
the LAA finalise the work with the CAA.

Alan
G-OBJT

Sent from my iPad

> On 6 Sep 2014, at 10:31, Pete Lawless <pete@lawless.info> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hi Alan
> 
> Did you notice in the 800 plus pages if you still need an ADF to fly a GPS 
> approach?
It certainly was the case at Staverton that you could fly down to limits
with a GPS but needed to use the ADF to go round the hold at 3,000 feet.
> 
> Pete
> 
>> On 06/09/14 10:06, Alan Carter wrote:
>> 
>> Good point Peter.
>> I think if you have certified aeroplanes with certified instruments and 
>> avionic
flying along with permit aircraft on airways without certified equipment
would make some people very unhappy, especially  having spend 10s of thousands
of pounds on there equipment, my guess it will on similar lines to what the IMC
rating allows you to do which is quite reasonable, for the average light 
aircraft
pilot .
>> In my chats with the CAA apparently you can do the whole coarse under the 
>> hood
without ever entering or experiencing real cloud.
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Read this topic online here:
>> 
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=430095#430095
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